Not at Chelski but for England http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11668_5920189,00.html

Personally, I don't see what the problem is myself so what if he had an affair with a fellow players EX-girlfriend :roll:

The comical thing about it is, Capello has given the captains armband to Rio, who not so long ago banned for 4 games for elbowing a fellow player & missing a drugs test the vice captain now is Gerrard who was let off for ABH not so long ago too, so what sort of example are those 2 setting, now surely that's worse than having an affair, which isn't anything to do with football

I think to be Captain of England is the biggest privilege an English footballer can aspire to. Surely once you are Captain you are looked up to by hundreds of thousands of kids( not to mention, other players)
I accept what you say about Ferdinand, who I don't think is a leader anyway, but you know how I feel about Gerrard, he was found NOT GUILTY and that apart, he is a splendid ambassador for his club.
As captain of his club he plays much better than he does for England and I would have liked to have seen Gerrard as Captain of England cos it might have upped his game to the standards he sets at Liverpool.
Rooney, I know, no angel, was another I'd have preferred to Ferdinand who, honestly, I wouldn't even play in the World Cup.
Back to Terry. He knows no shame. He and his family are a bunch of chavs. His mother shoplifts. His father sells Coke. Terry shags around left, right and centre and has kids. He knew what he was doing was wrong, that's why he didn't tell Wayne Bridge about it. A lot of the England squad are behind Bridge on this. Bridge may be going to the World Cup as well( well he won't be now!)
Terry is a great centre back, He will have been briefed when he became Captain of England all about the do's and don'ts. He will have been reminded of them each time he was caught shagging or his family offended or even as recently as selling guided tours round Chelsea's training facilities for £10k a go.( all the above allegedly)
Evidently he is very unpopular at Chelsea as he seems to think he is the b all and end all. He has acted with arrogance and disregard and he has got what he deserves.
Gary

I'm so glad you put that in your post mate or I'd have had to ask you to remove it

That's why I put it in !
Well what's your view ?
Gary

My view on what mate

My reply to your original post !
Gary

I already gave my opinion in my original post mate, I don't see what he does in his personal life has any bearing on his footy, well it shouldn't if it doesn't for any other player, including Rio, Gerrard or anyone else

As long as he's a role model on the pitch, then anything that happens in his personal life shouldn't change that, who cares what the rest of his family do or don't do, I know I don't, none of my business to be honest

As you said Gerrard was found not guilty, but if the case was in a Liverpool court & filled with cessepool fans, then you'll not get any other kind of result & it didn't do anything to effect his cessepool or England status either because it wasn't on the pitch, unlike Rio, who should have been banned for not taking his drug test, well at least he got banned for his elbow so why as this thing with JT been any different

As long as he's a role model on the pitch ! What do you think would have happened to Bobby Moore if he had been found to have stolen that watch in 1970 ! Would it have been alright cos it wasn't on the pitch ?
What about all these thousands upon thousands, maybe millions of kids who are waiting for the World Cup this year ?
Oh it's alright to be married and to have kids and to have sex with your team mates ex, the mother of his son, cos at least they didn't have sex on the pitch !( allegedly)
I know in 66 I used to play football and I'd be Charlton or Moore they were my heroes. Come the World Cup, that's what Terry would have been to these kids......... a hero !
You can not let all these kids think that this sort of behaviour is acceptable. It goes a lot lot further than his conduct on the pitch. He is an ambassador, a really important ambassador for England. FGS.
Congratulations to Capello is what I say.
Gary

Boys

Here is my twopence worth.

First of all I thought Bridge was still with the girl when the alleged affair started, that is why there was so much of a reaction as he as going behind a team mates back, as well as betraying his family. I accept they have now split but they were together when it all started.

As England captain he has to accept he has more responsibilty then the others to act in a proper manner. If the stories in the papers about there being more than one indiscretion are to be believed then his behaviour is unacceptable for the England captain. Think back to the Rugby and Dillaglio when he fell on his sword when stories about his off field behaviour surfaced and it is clear Terry's position as captain became untenable. Capello deserves credit for his swift action, whether Terry agreed with it or not.

As for the replacement, Ferdinand is not the right man. He was banned when he "forgot" the drugs test and is not the leader we require. It may be by the time the World Cup starts he will be injured again and not play. Gerrard was found innocent of any charges and that aspect should now be forgotten, everyone should get over it. He is a good captain for Liverpool, maybe he may turn out to be a good captain for England if he is required. The trial took place in the city the alleged offence took place, as with all cases of varying levels of violence, it is totally unrealistic to expect a trial to be moved just because a high profile footballer is involved. Rooney is probably the only other one who could step up and be considered as captain.

Terry's family may be full of chavs but that should not have any bearing on Terry's position, I am sure most families have some black sheep within them.

Terry should be able to play for England and to help us win the world cup. Bridge should also be involved if he is chosen and f he decides he can handle the issue with Terry at the time.

The matter should now be forgotten so we can al focus on winning the world cup

Cheers

John

Well none of this would have come to light if Bridges ex hadn't gone to the press & they printed it, so those so called 1000's upon 1000's of kids wouldn't have known & neither would we but no, she thought she'd get some money from the story & decided to blab it for all to read would she have done that if Terry wasn't a big name in football, I doubt it very much becuase no one would have been bothered!!

As for the next Captain, I doubt anyone is innocent enough to be completely clean but I would give it to Lampard if anyone, you don't hear much about him in the press

I wonder what CG's point of view on this matter is, she's been very quiet for a while

Ah, so none of this is John Terry's fault it is all the girls fault, If the story hadn't broken would it be OK for it to continue as long as we didnt know anything about it???.

Surely you dont blieve that do you???

Good point about CG, wonder where she is?

Cheers

John

To be honest John, I don't give a monkeys toot what they do in their private lives, it doesn't concern me as long as it doens't effect what they do on the pitch, which it seems this didn't according to something I read yesterday, apparently Bridge knew about the affair or Terry & Bridge had talked about it before it was aired via the press & all was well between them

As I said in my original post, yes Terry is married & what happened should be between him & his wife, not the 1000's of nosey beggars out there who want to have their 2 penneth worth about what he can & can't do in his private life I mean how would you like your private life to be common knowledge all the time yes he (was) the England captain & yes that's extra responsibility for him, but it shouldn't effect how he lives his private life, I mean, Beckham didn't get dropped as Captain when it was rumoured that he was having an affair, or Ericsson dropped as England Manager when he had an affair, so why is Terry any different

The difference is Ericsson was the manager not the captain and no one has ever proven one way or the other anything about Beckham so until it is proven or until admits it he is innocent. In JT's case if it had been incorrect I am sure there would have been writs for liable flying around left right and centre.

Cheers

JOhn

So being the England manager isn't as high profile as being the England Captain what a load of tosh

The players are the role models not the managers. When was the last time you heard a young kid express a wish to be the next Owen Coyle or the next Big Sam??????????? Yet ask any kid interested in football who he wants to be like and it will be Rooney or Gerrard or Terry. Thats the big difference and you know it.

None of us have commented on the jobs being high profile, it is about them being role models.

The players are all role models and should behave like it, that applies to all players not just JT or the other England players. They accept massive wages that everyone else can only dream about, they should behave in a way that justifies the hero worship they receive.

End of discussion

Cheers

John

No, not the end of discussion being a role model doesn't mean you can't have a private life though & being England manager is a high profile role model, as most players would love to be in that position someday, so Sven is a role model to all the players like JT & JT is a role model for thousands of kids, so it's just as inportant

So what Sven did was ok but JT's wasn't, speaks volumes for 'Do as I say, not as I do' attitude

See if you can have the last word Pete

Pete

I have never defended the actions taken by JT or any of the others. My point is the role of England captain is a role model for most young kids and because of that and his actions he should be stripped of the captaincy. I have no issue with him remaining an England player. As you say he has a private life but he has shown he is not fit to be the captain of England, in my opinion.

Are seriously trying to claim Sven or even Fabio are considered role models by any of the Engalnd players Most of the established players know their careers with England are likely to cover periods under more than one manager, especially given our recent track record. Obviously while they play under these folk they will be respectful, who isnt respectful to their boss if they want to continue working with them, but I cannot see any of the players holding any manager up as one of their role models or heros.

Cheers

John

Oh dear, what a shock - http://www.tribalfootball.com/liverpool-ace-gerrard-facing-video-v-sign-rap-690551

And just incase you say its on 'Tribalfootball', here's another link too http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/liverpool/7403510/Steven-Gerrard-could-face-V-sign-charge-after-Wigan-dent-Liverpools-European-hopes.html

And the point is????????

Next we will be shooting footballers whoswear during a game.

Cheers

John

Pete, that is not a two finger at the ref at all.
FGS, Give it a rest will you,
You could be done for bullying, get off his case !
Gary
Don't you just wish he played for you ?
I know I wish he played for us !
On No I'm sorry I should have known................ You've got Smith and Butt

For start off, it wasn't me who said it was, I just put the link up that said it was

As for bullying, as if, he doesn't know the meaning of being bullied, he gets his own way too often to be bullied

As for him playing for us, most Toon fans probably would but I don't like the guy & never will, so no, I wouldn't want him playing for us, btw, Butt won't be with us next season, as he's outside the age limit for players, so unless he take a coaching role at the club, he'll be looking for a new club, maybe old Sourpuss will give his mate a job

At least when Butt goes you already have his replacement in your ranks as Barton will be back by then. That should improve your image, especially if young Carroll stays with you.

Cheers

John

Personally I couldn't care less if Barton goes in the summer, as I don't like the guy & class him & any other thug who thinks because they're a sports star they can get away with what they do

You're old enough to remember Wimbledon are you Boogs, well you must be because I remember them & your twice my age anyways, they use to have a whole squad of thugs, like Vinny Jones, Dennis Wise etc didn't last very long & it wasn't good for the sport, so the sooner someone high up in the ranks of the FA does the right thing & stops these people, no matter who they are from playing, the sooner the sport will be better off

Pete

I understand your sentiment and dont necessarily disagree with you however I do think it is an unreasonable expectation. Every industry will have members with a chequered background but to try and get folk banned from making a living from their chosen profession is unrealistic.

The only way these folks will learn is to hit them where it hurts, in the pocket, and not just witha measly 2 week fine. Maybe it is that area that needs to be looked at.

Cheers

John

I don't see why its too far fetched to expect these people to abide by the law & if they get into trouble, they pay the price by losing their jobs, simple

If that isn't enough of an incentive not to get into trouble, then nothing would be, especially losing a few weeks wages compared to how much they pick up in a season, so it should be written into their contracts, if you're arrested for any crime under the laws of the country you're playing in, you will get 1 warning, if you do it again, you're out of a job

Would that include driving offences????

Well that would depend on whether it was a serious driving offence like killing someone or drug/drink related

I think you'd have to take speeding as a natural for these people as they all have high performance cars & think they're Nigel Manshal

No I mean crimes like ABH, GBH, fighting, etc

Interesting thoughts but cant ever see it happening.

Cheers

John

Boogs, stop it. My dad used to say " Never argue with Idiots, they will drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience !"
Does that ring a bell ?
Remember it !
Gary

Gary



Cheers

John

So your father never argued with then Gary

Pete, I am not gonna be dragged down to your level.
Gary